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New Meetup: Filforce.org Presents: Old School 2 - Announcing a new Meetup for NY Airsoft Group! What: Filforce.org Presents: Old School 2 When: October 18, 2008 9:00 AM Where: Click the link below to find out! Meetup Description: Just got this from Moondog from Henry Oct 1, 2008 2:46 PM
Re: [airsoft-21] New Meetup: PROJECT OLD SCHOOL [a bit of a late schedule but...] - sorry all sent out a email by mistake disregard. --- On Thu, 9/11/08, Donchulo <[address removed]> wrote: Donchulo Sep 11, 2008 9:36 PM
Re: [airsoft-21] New Meetup: PROJECT OLD SCHOOL [a bit of a late schedule but...] - Sorry redbull I think I sent you a email to you instead of Moondog. --- On Thu, 8/28/08, Henry <[address removed]> wrote Donchulo Sep 11, 2008 9:36 PM
Additional new games on Filforce fields - Hey folks, There are two other games but I scheduled the big one instead. Here they are: While Airsoft Meet UP is not affiliated with Filforce, I [Henry] am a member of Filforce and play with FF as often as I c Henry Sep 10, 2008 4:11 PM
New Meetup: OP: BLACK STAR [PLUS NIGHT GAME] - Announcing a new Meetup for NY Airsoft Group! What: OP: BLACK STAR [PLUS NIGHT GAME] When: November 15, 2008 1:00 PM Where: (A location has not been chosen yet.) Meetup Description: Join us for a night scenario Henry Sep 10, 2008 3:52 PM
Re: [airsoft-21] New Meetup: PROJECT OLD SCHOOL [a bit of a late schedule but... - Preview not available Henry Aug 29, 2008 10:37 PM
Re: [airsoft-21] New Meetup: PROJECT OLD SCHOOL [a bit of a late schedule but... - Moondog Aug 29, 2008 8:58 PM
Re: [airsoft-21] New Meetup: PROJECT OLD SCHOOL [a bit of a late schedule but... - i will be able LT Snake Aug 28, 2008 11:44 PM
New Meetup: PROJECT OLD SCHOOL [a bit of a late schedule but...] - Announcing a new Meetup for NY Airsoft Group! What: PROJECT OLD SCHOOL [a bit of a late schedule but...] When: August 30, 2008 9:00 AM Where: Click the link below to find out! Meetup Description: This is Henry, Henry Aug 28, 2008 2:02 PM
Re: [airsoft-21] Brag time: Evike Sniper Competition - OPPS one more thing - The photos were taken by members of Filforce (Brian and some others). On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 4:53 PM, Henry < [address removed] > wrote: Henry Jul 23, 2008 4:55 PM
Brag time: Evike Sniper Competition - My dear NY Airsoft Meetup minions, This is the infrequent communication from your organizer. On June 21st 2008 [the super awesome team known as] Filforce hosted the Evike sniper competition. After a day of shoot out yo Henry Jul 23, 2008 4:53 PM
New Meetup: OP:Bad Blood - Leukemia benefit airsoft game - Announcing a new Meetup for NY Airsoft Group! What: OP:Bad Blood - Leukemia benefit airsoft game When: August 16, 2008 9:00 AM Where: Click the link below to find out! Meetup Description: EVENT OP:Bad Blood Henry Jul 23, 2008 4:40 PM
New Meetup: Evike.com ShootOut Sniper Competition - Announcing a new Meetup for NY Airsoft Group! What: Evike.com ShootOut Sniper Competition When: June 21, 2008 9:00 AM Where: Click the link below to find out! Meetup Description: Snipers and sharp-shooters, come Henry Jun 14, 2008 9:13 PM
Re: [airsoft-21] New Meeting: NYRM presents: Territories! (06/07/08 @ Cousin's Plattekill) - Hello Friends: In November 2007 the New York Recon Marines hoste NYRECONMARINES Jun 6, 2008 4:16 PM
Re: [airsoft-21] New Meeting: NYRM presents: Territories! (06/07/08 - Sorry to hear that Will. I'd have gone to your game but I had already promised to run a FilForce tomorrow (which got pushed back from last Saturday because it was rained out.) Concerning that, there will be a skirmish game near Clinton Moondog Jun 6, 2008 3:52 PM
Re: [airsoft-21] New Meeting: NYRM presents: Territories! (06/07/08 @ Cousin's Plattekill) - Hey guys - important message: We're moving this event to the 28th! We didn't get as many pre-registrations as we were looking for and we're merging this event with Pilot Down 2 on the 28th at the same field. People looking for some play this Saturd Will Hogben Jun 6, 2008 3:39 PM
Re: [airsoft-21] New Meeting: NYRM presents: Territories! (06/07/08 @ Cousin's Plattekill) - Yup I've seen and played in games way more complex then this LOL. Its no biggie you'll get it in no time. Too bad I can't make it cuz of work. (sent from Henry's little cellphone) On Jun 3, 2008, at 2:04 PM, Will Hogben wrote: Henry Jun 3, 2008 2:19 PM
Re: [airsoft-21] New Meeting: NYRM presents: Territories! (06/07/08 @ Cousin's Plattekill) - As Henry says we'll be chronoing every gun during check in. The objectives boil down to this: Respawn at your flags, pull down enemy flags and raise your own. The medic rule boils down to this: Any teammate can move you, it takes a medic to heal yo Will Hogben Jun 3, 2008 2:04 PM
Re: [airsoft-21] New Meeting: NYRM presents: Territories! (06/07/08 @ Cousin's Plattekill) - Will is the one hosting this game, I'm just passing along the info. In every game of airsoft the host usually chrono every single aeg that will be used in the field. So it's not as complicated as it seems. Henry Henry Jun 3, 2008 12:27 PM
Re: [airsoft-21] New Meeting: NYRM presents: Territories! (06/07/08 @ Cousin's Plattekill) - hey bros,keep in mind its good seeing airsoft matches being held but dont you think the scenario is a bit over-complicated?also,how are you going to monitor those fps limits?sorry if im being too critical,maybe ive been playi Charles Jun 2, 2008 9:51 PM
New Meeting: NYRM presents: Territories! (06/07/08 @ Cousin's Plattekill) - Announcing a new meeting for NY Airsoft Group! What: NYRM presents: Territories! (06/07/08 @ Cousin's Plattekill) When: Saturday, June 7, 8:00 AM Where: Click the link below to find out! Meeting Description: Wil Henry Jun 1, 2008 9:47 PM
balikatan iv reminder - Hey Folks This is a reminder for the big op Balikatan IV on May 17th. Remember our meet up page has all the registration info: http://airsoft.meetup.com/21/calendar/7748721/ Henry May 7, 2008 11:48 PM
Re: [airsoft-21] New Meeting: BALIKATAN IV - Chang, In case you need green gas (you do need gas for the blow back m4), most retailers don't mail them any more for all sorts odd, silly reasons. There are a few local stores that you can purchase them in store: Hot Spot Henry Apr 24, 2008 2:41 AM
Re: [airsoft-21] New Meeting: BALIKATAN IV - If it's a green gas powered gun you'll need to bring your own gas or buy perhaps the Dragon's Den which is the local vendor will have some on sale. If it's a Classic Airsoft CO2 gun, then you can buy gas refills from the paintball shop at the fie Moondog Apr 24, 2008 12:04 AM
Re: [airsoft-21] New Meeting: BALIKATAN IV - Nice, you got one? You have to bring your own gas. You know what kind of gas it uses right? With green gas it should give you 380 or so fps. (sent from Henry's iPhone, I think.) On Apr 23, 2008, at 8:48 PM, Chanjung Henry Apr 23, 2008 8:59 PM
Re: [airsoft-21] New Meeting: BALIKATAN IV - HI~ Just wanna ask if I bring a WA Blowback M4 , where can I find the gas power? thanks ChanJung Henry wrote: > Announcing a new meeting for NY Airsoft Group! > > What: BALIKATAN IV > > When: Saturday, May 17, 9:00 AM > > Where: Click the Chanjung Apr 23, 2008 8:41 PM
New Meeting: BALIKATAN IV - Announcing a new meeting for NY Airsoft Group! What: BALIKATAN IV When: Saturday, May 17, 9:00 AM Where: Click the link below to find out! Who should come: Serious players Meeting Description: On Apri Henry Apr 15, 2008 11:44 PM
Filforce Op Red Star - Hey folks, Some of the Meetup folks and me were able to participate in one of the biggest ops in the North East over the weekend. The game was hosted by Filforce, in case I haven't pimp the team out enough in the past (Filforce.org), FF Henry Apr 10, 2008 2:53 PM
Re: [airsoft-21] Saturday 3pm - Henry, We still plan on coming. See you at 3PM. Any info on where to park would be helpful. Thanks MG Henry <[address removed]> wrote: Mickey Gentile Mar 21, 2008 12:21 PM
Saturday 3pm - See you guys Saturday 3PM!! If you are confused, you can always contact me via 917 704 5170 No freaks or stalkers, please. OK freaks are fine, but no stalkers, please Henry Henry Mar 21, 2008 2:36 AM
Re: [airsoft-21] New Meeting: Saturday 22nd Meet up! Face to face, no guns/AEGs - So far so good! Looking forward to see you folks! Henry Henry Mar 17, 2008 4:03 PM
Re: [airsoft-21] New Meeting: Saturday 22nd Meet up! Face to face, no guns/AEGs - I'll check my schedule....So far looks good to attend....thanks --- On Mon 03/17, Santo < drussell7@gmai NYRECONMARINES Mar 17, 2008 12:06 PM
Re: [airsoft-21] New Meeting: Saturday 22nd Meet up! Face to face, no guns/AEGs - I have RSVP'ed on the website. See you soon, MG Henry <[address removed]> wrote: Announcing a new m Mickey Gentile Mar 17, 2008 11:38 AM
Re: [airsoft-21] Coram's address (and Filforce) - Thanks for the update. Im out of town that week but will be attending the Filforce meeting next weekend. I do hope to make it to one of your events soon. Thanks MG NYRECONMARINES <[address removed]> Mickey Gentile Mar 17, 2008 11:32 AM
Re: [airsoft-21] Coram's address (and Filforce) - That would be great for us. I will have my step son and nephew with me. Look forward to meeting everyone. Henry <[address removed]> wrote: Mickey Gentile Mar 17, 2008 11:30 AM
Re: [airsoft-21] New Meeting: Saturday 22nd Meet up! Face to face, no guns/AEGs - locked and loaded On 3/16/08, Henry < [address removed] > wrote: Santo Mar 17, 2008 2:46 AM
New Meeting: Saturday 22nd Meet up! Face to face, no guns/AEGs - Announcing a new meeting for NY Airsoft Group! What: Saturday 22nd Meet up! Face to face, no guns/AEGs When: Saturday, March 22, 3:00 PM Where: Click the link below to find out! Who should come: anyone who's in Henry Mar 16, 2008 10:44 PM
Re: [airsoft-21] Coram's address (and Filforce) - There is more asking...better hurry --- On Sun 03/16, Will Hogben < [address removed] > wrote: NYRECONMARINES Mar 16, 2008 10:13 PM
Re: [airsoft-21] Coram's address (and Filforce) - Yup, the Filforce op Red Star is on April 5th. Henry Mar 16, 2008 8:50 PM
Re: [airsoft-21] Coram's address (and Filforce) - i dont see anything your message is blank Will Hogben <[address removed]> wrote: philld5 Mar 16, 2008 8:23 PM
Re: [airsoft-21] Coram's address (and Filforce) - Preview not available Will Hogben Mar 16, 2008 7:58 PM
Re: [airsoft-21] Coram's address (and Filforce) - where will the cqb/cqc field be located at On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 6:08 PM, Will Hogben < [address removed] > wrote: Santo Mar 16, 2008 7:50 PM
Re: [airsoft-21] Coram's address (and Filforce) - Preview not available Will Hogben Mar 16, 2008 6:08 PM
Re: [airsoft-21] Coram's address (and Filforce) - how many people are going so far NYRECONMARINES <[address removed]> wrote: philld5 Mar 16, 2008 5:32 PM
Re: [airsoft-21] Coram's address (and Filforce) - NYRECONMARINES Mar 16, 2008 4:18 PM
Re: [airsoft-21] Coram's address (and Filforce) - Greetings: The NYRM is still looking for some more players for the OP RECOVER THE BLACK BOX.... to be held on NYRECONMARINES Mar 16, 2008 3:59 PM
Re: [airsoft-21] Coram's address (and Filforce) - I am thinking upcoming Saturday 22nd. On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Mickey Gentile < [address removed] > wrote: any word on when the meeting will be? Thanks MG Henry Mar 16, 2008 3:02 PM
Re: [airsoft-21] Coram's address (and Filforce) - any word on when the meeting will be? Thanks MG Henry <[address removed]> wrote: Hey folks, since I get q Mickey Gentile Mar 16, 2008 2:38 PM
Re: [airsoft-21] field - Thanks Henry. I support your thoughts as my gear is still in Colorado until moving day at the end of this month. I look forward to meeting everyone soon, MG Henry <[address removed]> wrote: Mickey Gentile Mar 14, 2008 12:13 PM
RE: [airsoft-21] field - The weather is fine.....Friends. The New York Recon Marines is a year-round MIL-SIM group we rock in all kinds of weather. Please NYRECONMARINES Mar 14, 2008 2:02 AM
RE: [airsoft-21] field - .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma } Is the weather in NY/NJ getting any better? COMMANDER ODA 343 Mar 14, 2008 12:05 AM
Re: [airsoft-21] field - Hey Don that might actually work! Although I really really really want the newbies without AEG or full gear to come out (you know who you are, like, 60 out of the 80 members we have here) and hang out and maybe finally get their acts together and join a g Henry Mar 13, 2008 11:00 PM
Re: [airsoft-21] field - don Mar 13, 2008 10:43 PM
field - don Mar 13, 2008 8:49 PM
Re: [airsoft-21] Anyone interested in an actual face to face meet up? - Good idea. I dont have all my stuffed moved yet from Colorado so im a little short of gear. Thanks MG Henry <[address removed]> wrote: Mickey Gentile Mar 13, 2008 6:50 PM
Re: [airsoft-21] Anyone interested in an actual face to face meet up? - Preview not available Henry Mar 13, 2008 4:47 PM
Re: [airsoft-21] Anyone interested in an actual face to face meet up? - Sunday sounds good as well, Don-Chulo - Donnie. Henry <[address removed]> wrote: Hey fine people of airsoft meetup: Donchulo Mar 13, 2008 4:32 PM
Re: [airsoft-21] Anyone interested in an actual face to face meet up? - Well friends if you all make it on the 29th at the Black Box OP I can schedule some time to allow the meeting. Perhaps an hour NYRECONMARINES Mar 13, 2008 4:26 PM
Re: [airsoft-21] Anyone interested in an actual face to face meet up? - don Mar 13, 2008 8:47 AM
Re: [airsoft-21] Anyone interested in an actual face to face meet up? - Sounds good, I am gonna find a location and I am going to schedule for some time next Saturday March 22nd. Henry On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 1:04 AM, Mickey Gentile < mgenti Henry Mar 13, 2008 2:16 AM
Re: [airsoft-21] Anyone interested in an actual face to face meet up? - Hello, As we are new to the area it is always nice to meet new people. Saturdays work best. Thanks MG Henry <[address removed]> wrote: Mickey Gentile Mar 13, 2008 1:04 AM
Re: [airsoft-21] Anyone interested in an actual face to face meet up? - Welcome back Gabe Saturday or Sunday is good for me On 3/12/08, Gabriel < [address removed] > wrote: Santo Mar 13, 2008 12:58 AM
Re: [airsoft-21] anyone interested in a face to face meet up - I should be available most evenings except for Wednesdays in the city. Thomas DelMundo III Creative Director CALIFORNIUM Advertising 808 384 1047 http://californium.com On Mar 12, 2008, at 10:26 PM, Raziel wrote: Sounds like a cool idea Moondog Mar 12, 2008 10:55 PM
anyone interested in a face to face meet up - Sounds like a cool idea, my sched is pretty open ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ Raziel Mar 12, 2008 10:26 PM
Re: [airsoft-21] Anyone interested in an actual face to face meet up? - Gabriel Mar 12, 2008 9:47 PM
Re: [airsoft-21] Anyone interested in an actual face to face meet up? - Preview not available Henry Mar 12, 2008 9:41 PM
Re: [airsoft-21] Anyone interested in an actual face to face meet up? - Sounds like fun, I have a pretty tight schedule but let me know the when and where and I will do my best. :) On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 9:08 PM, Henry < [address removed] > wr Patrick Mar 12, 2008 9:25 PM
Anyone interested in an actual face to face meet up? - Hey fine people of airsoft meetup: So I am thinking, I see some of the folks in various games but not most of you. Would anyone be interested in a real, actual face to face meet up around New York? let me know and I'll schedule one. Also Henry Mar 12, 2008 9:08 PM
Filforce video from Saturday march 1st game - link updated - The link is updated to this new link, I made some changes to the timing: http://www.youtube.com/watch? Henry Mar 3, 2008 2:56 AM
Filforce video from Saturday march 1st game - I was invited to a Filfoce game over Saturday and video taped (with my little point and shoot camera) some of the action, here's a 7 minute video edit: Henry Mar 2, 2008 7:51 PM
RE: [airsoft-21] Coram's address (and Filforce) - Dear Friends: Are you SOC Material? Can you lead your squad, make NYRECONMARINES Feb 27, 2008 7:45 PM
RE: [airsoft-21] Coram's address (and Filforce) - NY/NYRM MARCH 29TH. RECOVER THE BLACK BOX [6 Week Warning] Gentlem NYRECONMARINES Feb 27, 2008 7:37 PM
Coram's address (and Filforce) - Hey folks, since I get quite a few questions regarding going to games, I am posting the Coram's address again, it's run by cousins paintball: 1. Henry Feb 27, 2008 1:50 PM
Re: [airsoft-21] whens the next gig - Well that might be my first game if I can order a vest Sent from my iPhone On Feb 26, 2008, at 7:59 PM, Henry wrote: Yup that's the one. Nyrm sent an email to everyone on the list with details last week already so I strong philld5 Feb 26, 2008 9:16 PM
Re: [airsoft-21] whens the next gig - Yup that's the one. Nyrm sent an email to everyone on the list with details last week already so I strongly encourage the eager players to join. Henry (sent from Henry's iPhone, I think.) On Feb 26, 2008, at 7:57 PM, Will Hogben Henry Feb 26, 2008 7:59 PM
Re: [airsoft-21] whens the next gig - http://nyreconmarines.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=178 This is the operation NYRM are hosting on March 29th - hope we'll see you there! On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 7:13 PM, Henry wrote: > Hmm not sure about new jersey side but lemm Will Hogben Feb 26, 2008 7:56 PM
Re: [airsoft-21] whens the next gig - Hmm not sure about new jersey side but lemme search. Anyone who has nj fields or northern ny fields feel free to share. Henry (sent from Henry's iPhone, I think.) On Feb 26, 2008, at 4:59 PM, philld5 wrote: > Dam iPhone Henry Feb 26, 2008 7:13 PM
Re: [airsoft-21] whens the next gig - Dam iPhone autotype George wasington bridge Sent from my iPhone On Feb 26, 2008, at 4:41 PM, philld5 wrote: Well I'm in fort lee nj which is the town right after u cross the GeV Sent from my iPhone On Feb 26, 2008, at 4: philld5 Feb 26, 2008 4:59 PM
Re: [airsoft-21] whens the next gig - Well I'm in fort lee nj which is the town right after u cross the GeV Sent from my iPhone On Feb 26, 2008, at 4:24 PM, Henry wrote: Which part of NYC? Google coram airsoft in long island and you can find it. Its exit 64 philld5 Feb 26, 2008 4:41 PM
Re: [airsoft-21] whens the next gig - Which part of NYC? Google coram airsoft in long island and you can find it. Its exit 64 on LIE. I am sure there are other fields that open every week as well. Henry (sent from Henry's iPhone, I think.) On Feb 26, 2008, at 7:45 AM, philld5 Henry Feb 26, 2008 4:24 PM
Re: [airsoft-21] whens the next gig - Both fields are about 1.5-2 hours drive from NYC. One us north of Newbergh and the other is in Northern CT. Thomas DelMundo III Creative Director CALIFORNIUM Advertising 808 384 1047 http://californium.com On Feb 26, 2008, at 7:45 AM, p Moondog Feb 26, 2008 7:54 AM
Re: [airsoft-21] whens the next gig - What's the closest field to NYC? Sent from my iPhone On Feb 26, 2008, at 7:27 AM, Henry wrote: Yup, so most likely the op is not open to public because of the number of players. But nyrecon has an op open for the same date philld5 Feb 26, 2008 7:45 AM
Re: [airsoft-21] whens the next gig - Yup, so most likely the op is not open to public because of the number of players. But nyrecon has an op open for the same date. There are fields open all the time out there for some of our newer players to gain experience before big ops. I stron Henry Feb 26, 2008 7:27 AM
Re: [airsoft-21] whens the next gig - The interest is over 100, but we wont be playing with that many people. We just wont be able to accommodate that many players and if we tried the quality of the game would be compromised. There will most likely be a cap. But I'd love to see that cap a Mr.Spank Feb 26, 2008 3:13 AM
Re: [airsoft-21] whens the next gig - COMMANDER ODA 343 Feb 26, 2008 3:01 AM
Re: [airsoft-21] whens the next gig - Preview not available chubpone Feb 26, 2008 2:47 AM
Re: [airsoft-21] whens the next gig - There is already a huge even scheduled also for March 29th by Filforce.org. Almost 200 registered players already! Definitely looking to be one of the biggest events in NYC/NJ area all year. Henry <[address removed]&g Vic The Mick Feb 26, 2008 2:45 AM
Re: [airsoft-21] whens the next gig - Preview not available Henry Feb 25, 2008 11:43 PM
Re: [airsoft-21] whens the next gig - An airsoft range would be awsome Sent from my iPhone On Feb 25, 2008, at 10:23 PM, Mike < [address removed] > wrote: philld5 Feb 25, 2008 10:38 PM
whens the next gig - so whens the next gig..also... is there an airsoft RANGE?..we can all hang and Ju Mike Feb 25, 2008 10:23 PM
Re: [airsoft-21] OP Recover The Black Box - Preview not available chubpone Feb 18, 2008 3:49 PM
OP Recover The Black Box - Are you SOC Material? Can you lead your squad, make the right decisions...And recover the BLACK BOX? NYRECONMARINES Feb 18, 2008 9:38 AM
Re: [airsoft-21] Updated photos for the M14 and Luger - WITH LINK - Nah my bad, I recheck and it was a typo on my part. Now I am working on turning my m16 into a semi-sniper AEG with a PSG sniper length tightbore barrel (650MM)... Henry On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 9:34 PM, Don Henry Feb 14, 2008 9:49 PM
Re: [airsoft-21] Updated photos for the M14 and Luger - WITH LINK - OOPP's Sorry have fun for me LOL... Henry <[address removed]> wrote: I am taking it to Coram, I was saying, I cannot wait. Donchulo Feb 14, 2008 9:34 PM
Re: [airsoft-21] Updated photos for the M14 and Luger - WITH LINK - I am taking it to Coram, I was saying, I cannot wait. Henry On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 9:27 PM, Donchulo < [address removed] > wrote: Henry Feb 14, 2008 9:32 PM
Re: [airsoft-21] Updated photos for the M14 and Luger - WITH LINK - Nice Luger, a Jorge whats up with that link with your new AK? Henry why can't you take the M14 to coram? Henry <[address removed]> wrote: Donchulo Feb 14, 2008 9:27 PM
Re: [airsoft-21] Updated photos for the M14 and Luger - WITH LINK - Silly me, here's the link: http://airsoft.meetup.com/21/photos/ Henry Feb 14, 2008 9:20 PM
Updated photos for the M14 and Luger - Took out my camera and took a few close ups of the m14 with the mount base and a little aim dot scope, and more detailed shots of the Luger, should be better quality then the iPhone's camera. Can't with to use the m14 on Sunday (Coram). Henry Feb 14, 2008 9:08 PM
Re: [airsoft-21] some new acquisitions (m14 and a Luger) - COMMANDER ODA 343 Feb 14, 2008 4:44 AM
Re: [airsoft-21] some new acquisitions (m14 and a Luger) - Preview not available Henry Feb 14, 2008 4:37 AM
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